49. What would an environmental saint look like? - Roger S. Gottlieb

Why We Need Courage, Not Hope, to Face Climate Change

In this episode, I dive into new territory, exploring the environmental crisis with Dr. Roger Gottlieb, renowned author of The Sacrifice Zone. Dr. Gottlieb offers a striking perspective on the looming threat of environmental devastation, arguing that our greatest enemy is not just the crisis itself but the avoidance and denial surrounding it. He makes a compelling analogy between humanity’s dependence on fossil fuels and addiction, highlighting the immense challenge of overcoming inertia and inspiring meaningful action. Throughout our conversation, we unravel the complexities of this global issue, examining how it affects us all. Dr. Gottlieb passionately advocates for both individual responsibility and collective action, emphasizing that while the scale of the problem may feel overwhelming, hope can be found in the power of unity. This episode is a call to courage, urging us to find strength in small, everyday actions and to join forces with others committed to preserving our planet. Together, we can make a difference in the fight for a sustainable future.